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I think we will be printing a lot/most of the household things we use within 10 years. We will just hit Walmart/Target/Sears/Lowes/Whatever.com and download the plan for the item we want and it will start printing.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.52&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.53">40496.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.52#a40496_52" target="_self">40496.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span class="emoticon e_happycry" title=":'D"><span class="e__">:'D</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.53&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.54">40496.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.45">40496.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Absolutely it's cultural and I accept that the historical context <em>explains</em> the situation, but it doesn't for a minute make it okay in my mind. I just accept that there's only so far rational arguments go when something is so culturally embedded.<br /><br /> But no, that doesn't make it ok or beyond criticism. I think it represents and imbalance between the rights of the individual and collective rights. I think the right to live in a country where people aren't routinely walking around with weapons is far more important than an individual's right to 'protect themselves'.<br /><br /> The second amendment is a collective right. The right, as you say, of the citizenry to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. But it talks specifically about a militia being well armed.<br /><br /> It does not talk about people carrying guns to protect themselves against <em>eachother</em>. Nor does it talk about people carrying guns because guns are fun. Nor because guns make them feel powerful. Which I would think, if you're honest, covers the main reasons why the vast majority of people own guns.<br /><br /> There's no rational argument for the carrying of guns that stands up to scrutiny. They clearly don't work as a deterrant since your rates of homocide, homocide with a gun and armed robbery are all higher. They don't work for self defence for the aforementioned reason and also because if you carry a gun then you're more likely to die should a violent situation ensue than if you don't. They wouldn't work for the overthrow of a tyrannical government because while you have, at best, AKs and AR-15s and so on, the government has tanks, f-22s, helicopter gunships, artillery and guided missiles.<br /><br /> You carry guns because you enjoy carrying, owning and using guns. That's fine, I understand that. It can't be rationalised though and I don't think it's worth the price.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.54&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.54"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:34</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.55">40496.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.52#a40496_52" target="_self">40496.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> And it will be shit compared to the mass produced stuff we currently buy!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.55&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_56"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_56"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 19:40"></span></span> <span class="message_count">56 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.56">40496.56</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.48">40496.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ha, yeah if it's a case of the guns that are sourceable being shit and converted so poorly that they're very dangerous to the user than that's fine by me!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.56&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.56"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_57"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_57"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">57 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.57">40496.57</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.52#a40496_54" target="_self">40496.54</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I agree with all your points, pretty much. Where I get angry is the government telling me I can or can't do anything, I don't care what it is. As long as I'm not harming anyone they shouldn't have a say in what I do. I think that's the view of most Americans and I think with that view it makes guns one of those things that we should be allowed to own and use as long as we don't harm anyone.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.57&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.57"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_58"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_58"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:44"></span></span> <span class="message_count">58 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.58">40496.58</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.52#a40496_55" target="_self">40496.55</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah at first it will be. But can you picture the day where you can play that anti-piracy ad about downloading a car while you're downloading a car? It will be glorious! </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.58&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.58"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_59"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_59"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">59 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.59">40496.59</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.52#a40496_57" target="_self">40496.57</a></div> <div class="message_body"> But people with legally-owned guns <em>are</em> harming people. Guns are weapons. They are <em>for</em> harming people. While they can be used for target shooting that is not what they are <em>for</em>, that is not their designed purpose (in the vast majority of cases).<br /><br /> That's like saying: I should be allowed to walk around strapped with C4. So long as I don't flick the switch then I'm not harming anyone so why not?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.59&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.59"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_60"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_60"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">60 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.60">40496.60</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.52#a40496_57" target="_self">40496.57</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Do you think there should be no laws at all? or just the ones you like?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.60&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.60"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a40496_61"></a><div class="message" id="message_40496_61"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">23 May 2013 18:46</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 May 2013 18:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">61 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.61">40496.61</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=40496.52#a40496_57" target="_self">40496.57</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (tangent: You're pro gay marriage then?)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=40496.61&return_msg=40496.52" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="40496.61"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="40496.62" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>