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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.0&return_msg=39653.71"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.51">51–60</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.61">61–70</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71">71–80</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.81">81–90</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.121">121–128</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=39653.71">Employment issues ask-me-do</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="39653_71_128_10"> <a name="a39653_71"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_71"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">10 Jul 2012 12:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: DSLPete (THE_TGG) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Jul 2012 12:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">71 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71">39653.71</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.70">39653.70</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Well that does seem like a fair exchange to me, it depends on whether you're happy with the arrangement tbh! </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.71&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.71"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_72"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_72"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 09:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 11:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">72 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.72">39653.72</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_71" target="_self">39653.71</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Oooh - I've got one for you:</p> <p> </p> <p>A mate has been under a fair bit of stress at work recently, and has been grinding his teeth at night as a result. The grinding has resulted in him breaking a couple of his teeth, requiring a fairly massive amount of dental work (root canal plus being fitted for a gumshield to wear at night). It's cost him a few hundred pounds so far. The company he works for doesn't offer a heath plan, but is he entitled to claim the money for the treatment back in any way?</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.72&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.72"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_73"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_73"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 09:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 09:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">73 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.73">39653.73</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_72" target="_self">39653.72</a></div> <div class="message_body"> (Actual mate, BTW, not just me <strike>in a dress</strike> under stress)</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.73&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.73"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_74"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_74"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 09:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 09:42"></span></span> <span class="message_count">74 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.74">39653.74</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_72" target="_self">39653.72</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Is there direct proof that first of all the stress is causing the teeth issues? And then is there proof that the stress is caused by work?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.74&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.74"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_75"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_75"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 09:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 09:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">75 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.75">39653.75</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_74" target="_self">39653.74</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Good question - a quick search tells me stress is generally one of the main reasons for teethgrinding, and he's been getting messed around at work a lot recently (covering people (off with stress!), massive increases to his own workload, working unclaimed hours to get stuff done, that kind of thing). I don't know how you go about actually proving stress, though.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.75&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.75"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_76"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_76"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 09:49</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 09:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">76 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.76">39653.76</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_75" target="_self">39653.75</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The last bit is the easiest bit (I think). Go to the doctor, get a sick note for "stress".</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.76&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.76"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_77"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_77"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 11:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 11:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">77 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.77">39653.77</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_72" target="_self">39653.72</a></div> <div class="message_body"> He could try (through raising a grievance) - but he'd have to be able to prove that the stress is to do with work, and that the teeth work was because of the stress.<br /> <br /> First thing to do is get to <s>your</s> his GP and get the stress symptoms documented. The teeth issue is resolved now (gumshield), but if there are any other symptoms (such as high blood pressure) that could be affecting his health he should get signed off until the situation is resolved.<br /> <br /> Second he needs to keep a diary of everything that's going on - any messing about, increased work load, covering for others, unpaid hours etc. Anything that is contributing to the stress.<br /> <br /> Thirdly, he needs to ask his boss for the money and to sort out all the extra work he's doing that's giving him stress. Assuming the boss does nothing (likely), he needs to put in a grievance requesting a) the money and b) that the working conditions are sorted out. He should also request that the Health & Safety Committee/H&S Officer (depending on what the employer has) is made aware of the situation.<br /> <br /> He needs to state in the grievance that he believes that the employer is failing in its duty of care to him by allowing this situation to continue</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.77&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.77"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_78"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_78"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 11:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 11:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">78 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.78">39653.78</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_77" target="_self">39653.77</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Fourthly - he needs to get himself a kick-ass union rep to prove that the teeth are down to the company, that they have to give him money for that and offer him a compromise agreement for the rest of the (unseen) damage done to his mental health, while also getting the to commit to proper stress reduction program with training and new staff etc. as required to reduce work levels and stress levels to an acceptable level.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.78&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.78"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_79"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_79"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)<span class="message_time">12 Jul 2012 11:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Jul 2012 11:53"></span></span> <span class="message_count">79 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.79">39653.79</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.71#a39653_78" target="_self">39653.78</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Cheers for all that. Since he's a member of a union, I'll suggest he speaks to his rep (which he should know to do anyway).</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.79&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.79"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39653_80"></a><div class="message" id="message_39653_80"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Chris (CHRISSS)<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2013 11:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Sep 2013 11:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">80 of 128</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.80">39653.80</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39653.1">39653.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Are you still doing this?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39653.80&return_msg=39653.71" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39653.80"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="39653.81" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>