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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.0&return_msg=39145.51"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51">51–60</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.61">61–70</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.71">71–75</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=39145.51">GIMP</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="39145_51_75_10"> <a name="a39145_51"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_51"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 20:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 20:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">51 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51">39145.51</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.50">39145.50</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The next release is going to be in a <a href="http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/02/hands-on-new-single-window-mode-makes-gimp-less-gimpy.ars">single window</a>, instead of bits floating around. There's lots to dislike about GIMP, it is what it is.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.51&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.51"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_52"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_52"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 20:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 20:32"></span></span> <span class="message_count">52 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.52">39145.52</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51#a39145_51" target="_self">39145.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b>that article</div><div class="quote">The GIMP developers recently announced that they are tentatively planning to release GIMP 2.8 in December 2010. This release date, which is almost a year from now...</div><br /> Yeah, it's a year in <em>the other direction</em> now. <span class="emoticon e_confused" title=":S"><span class="e__">:S</span></span><br /> <br /> Have they published an updated estimate for when it's actually coming?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.52&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.52"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_53"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_53"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 20:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 20:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">53 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.53">39145.53</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51#a39145_52" target="_self">39145.52</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I have it installed currently. You can install it currently if you like because it's <i>open source</i>.<br /> <br /> You also have to remember that the team of developers working on GIMP is essentially this big: 1.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.53&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.53"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_54"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_54"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 20:33</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 22:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">54 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.54">39145.54</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51#a39145_51" target="_self">39145.51</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That'd help - Pixelmator on the Mac has floating windows and it annoys me there too. But, it's not just that - it's that the palette contents are so <em>big</em>.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.54&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.54"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_55"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_55"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 20:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Dec 2011 00:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">55 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.55">39145.55</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51#a39145_54" target="_self">39145.54</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Because it's all scriptable (right down to the UI) there are various re-hashes of GIMP. Including that one which re-arranges the UI to match PS as closely as possible. Which I don't use because it's just replacing one fucked UI with another.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.55&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.55"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_56"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_56"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 20:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 20:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">56 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.56">39145.56</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51#a39145_53" target="_self">39145.53</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I can't install it currently because it's open source, I can install it currently because a preview release is made available.<br /> <br /> Things can be open source without having preview releases, and can have preview releases without being open source.<br /> <br /> <small>(And before you tell me I'm being pedantic there, it's not, it's being accurate. Pedantic would have been pointing out that GIMP is part of GNU and thus Free Software, which as you know is different to Open Source (and probably a contribution to why it's shit; I saw a video recently where RMS said he didn't care about software being good, which would have made me slap the twat if we were in the same room.))</small><br /> <br /> Anyway only one person working on it is stupid. It's too big a package for that.<br /> <br /> I also found this:<br /> <a href="http://www.chromecode.com/2011/02/why-gimp-28-is-not-released-yet.html">http://www.chromecode.com/2011/02/why-gimp-28-is-not-released-yet.html</a><br /> <br /> Which can be summed up as "Gimp 2.8 isn't ready yet because we have a shit project structure which results in lots of developer turnover and nothing ever getting finished."<br /> <br /> Which I guess is another reason.<br /> <br /> Martin needs to fix the fucking source control, get a proper branch structure and make sure everyone follows the standard practise of feature branches, and revoke write access from anyone too stupid to follow such simple instructions.<br /> <br /> I also found this, which is kinda cool (as a general progress tracking / what's left thing), and also suggests there's only two known bugs left, and thus the preview release should be pretty stable:<br /> <a href="http://tasktaste.com/projects/Enselic/gimp-2-8">http://tasktaste.com/projects/Enselic/gimp-2-8</a><br /> <br /> So I might actually go give it another try. Later, because I'm doing stuff now.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 3 Dec 2011 20:51 by BOUGHTONP</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.56&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.56"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_57"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_57"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 21:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 21:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">57 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.57">39145.57</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51#a39145_56" target="_self">39145.56</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You can install it because it's open source. The source is open, you can download and compile it. This is what it means to be open source. <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Pedantic would have been pointing out that GIMP is part of GNU and thus Free Software, which as you know is different to Open Source</div> The problem here is not that you're pedantic, it's that you are shit at it. Free Software is <i>by definition</i> open source. Not all open source software is Free Software. The Open Source Definition and what the FSF would term Free Software are pretty much completely compatible. They are not describing different things, they are describing the same thing from different perspectives, with different priorities. Which leads on to... <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">and probably a contribution to why it's shit; I saw a video recently where RMS said he didn't care about software being good, which would have made me slap the twat if we were in the same room.)</div> I doubt very much he did. I suspect what he actually said was that functionality and features are not what he prioritises when determining what <i>is</i> 'good' software. For Stallman, Freedom comes first - it is a prerequisite for 'goodness' of software. He looks beyond the mechanical and has philosophical and political criteria for the 'goodness' of software.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 3 Dec 2011 21:02 by X3N0PH0N</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.57&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.57"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_58"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_58"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: steve<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 21:07</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 21:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">58 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.58">39145.58</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.13">39145.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Here is an Abe Lincoln Spider <span class="emoticon e_csad" title=":C"><span class="e__">:C</span></span></div> <div class="message_attachments"> <span>Attachments:</span> <ul> <li><span class="image attach"></span><a href="get_attachment.php?webtag=DEFAULT&hash=79723148ceffdcdd5ea1db7719c42a5d&filename=abe.png" target="_blank">abe.png</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.58&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.58"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_59"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_59"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 21:14</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 21:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">59 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.59">39145.59</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.46">39145.46</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>While I agree that using raster applications for vector drawing is intrinsically illogical, the developers have to an extent fed that illogic, by including tools (such as text and drawing) that possibly shouldn't be there. The fact that they can't do it usably is the sin, not the expectation of users that it should 'work' intuitively.</p> <p> </p> <p>And drawing a vector in one application, exporting as an intermediate file, and importing into another application is a PITA. A workable/non-crashable version of 'live update' is more usable, but the most intuitive approach is to have it all there, in one application.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.59&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.59"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39145_60"></a><div class="message" id="message_39145_60"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 3 Dec 2011 21:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Dec 2011 21:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">60 of 75</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.60">39145.60</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39145.51#a39145_57" target="_self">39145.57</a></div> <div class="message_body"> His wording was more specifically along the lines of "I don't care if software is good. It has to be free, but it doesn't have to be good."<br /> <br /> Which is exactly the problem, and why a lot of people see the stuff as buggy shit.<br /> <br /> Freedom should come first, but unless it's <em>also</em> good then it's not going to help promote the cause.<br /> <br /> <br /> Open Source ultimately means that binary releases must be accompanied by relevant source (and ability to build).<br /> <br /> There is no requirement of any Open Source license that development take place in public nor that (binary or code) preview releases are made.<br /> <br /> For OS projects to get contributions it makes sense to do that, but it's not something that is only or automatically enabled by being open source.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39145.60&return_msg=39145.51" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39145.60"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="39145.61" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>