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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.0&return_msg=39012.23"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.31">31–40</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.101">101–104</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=39012.23">Facebook</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="39012_23_104_10"> <a name="a39012_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 17:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 17:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23">39012.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.20">39012.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I kind of agree, but then I don't really want to pay for this stuff either <span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span></span></p> <p> </p> <p>Mind you, I do and have paid for some online things and they would certainly be more accountable.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.23&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 18:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.24">39012.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_23" target="_self">39012.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah paying a sub isn't a good model either. They're both kinda old-media models shoehorned into the web where they don't really fit. <br /> <br /> Donation models are cool, so long as you've got a userbase who (enough of whom at least) will pay. And so long as you let people who don't donate see everything (otherwise it's just subs under a different name).<br /> <br /> The crop of free-to-play games of late are kinda interesting (the ones that are genuinely free-to-play, that is, rather than pay-to-win). Making your service free but selling vanity/convenience items. Although applying that to a website takes us into Delphi territory.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.24&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mouse <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 23:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.25">39012.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.22">39012.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Someone with more clevers than me once said, "go ahead and use this service for free, it doesn't really cost me much if you do, and I'm happy to help people when I can."<br /> <br /> It was me. Multiple times.<br /> <br /> And no doubt plenty of other people too.<br /> <br /> Not everyone on earth is a money-hungry selfish twat.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.25&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:13</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 18:14"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.26">39012.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_25" target="_self">39012.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Go on Peter - run a service at Facebooks level for free. Have you ever priced up datacentre space, decent hardware, bandwidth and power?<br /> <br /> I'm not trying to be mean, but this stuff is expensive. I mean, really <i>really</i> expensive. Even assuming people will work for free.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 13 Oct 2011 18:13 by PILOTDAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.26&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:17</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 18:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.27">39012.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_26" target="_self">39012.26</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Um, you're <em><strong>entirely</strong></em> missing the point of that post.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.27&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 21:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.28">39012.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_27" target="_self">39012.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You'll need to explain it to me in simple words then. They've got to be profitable somehow, and nobody has come up with a better way yet.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.28&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 18:28"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.29">39012.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_28" target="_self">39012.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I think his point is (and I agree, though I don't think it applies to Facebook) that they don't <i>have</i> to be profitable.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.29&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 18:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.30">39012.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_29" target="_self">39012.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>They've still got to break even, though. And even that costs a hell of a lot when you're that big.</p> <p> </p> <p>Edit: That was point, and I think it still stands.</p><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 13 Oct 2011 18:31 by PILOTDAN</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.30&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Monsoir (PILOTDAN) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 18:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">31 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.31">39012.31</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_28" target="_self">39012.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> By which I mean... <br /> <br /> Firstly there's something which may provide a valuable service but isn't easy to put a financial value on.<br /> <br /> Secondly you could run it as an old-fashioned 'business'. i.e. you make enough to live on and reinvest the rest into the service. Operating more like a tradesman than a businessman. Simply providing a service and getting recompensed for doing so. Not looking to make profit.<br /> <br /> Also I think we have to realise that the little sites help the big sites. The greater the diversity and usefulness of the web, the more potential 'paying' customers the big sites have. So while something may not have a direct financial payoff for the people who run the site (or whatever), it all contributes to a healthier and more prosperous internet overall.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.31&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a39012_32"></a><div class="message" id="message_39012_32"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Monsoir (PILOTDAN)<span class="message_time">13 Oct 2011 18:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Oct 2011 18:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">32 of 104</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.32">39012.32</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=39012.23#a39012_31" target="_self">39012.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Operating more like a tradesman than a businessman.</div><br /> <br /> There's someone who hasn't paid a plumber recently <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";)"><span class="e__">;)</span></span><br /> <br /> Seriously though, I don't disagree with you but I think in your eyes I'm probably a dirty capitalist so we're unlikely to reconcile our views. As far as I'm concerned I get a fairly solid stable service completely free, knowing that the whole thing costs staggering amounts of money to keep going.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=39012.32&return_msg=39012.23" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="39012.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="39012.33" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>