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In American!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.13&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.13"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 7 Sep 2011 22:36</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 Sep 2011 22:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.14">38891.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.4">38891.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Fuck social. <span class="emoticon e_angry" title=":@"><span class="e__">:@</span></span><br /> <br /> I poked around earlier and couldn't find the source of it.<br /> <br /> I don't know whether to complain on the invite page itself - that's attacking the symptom not the cause, I guess.<br /> <br /> If <em>all</em> UK-based registered Wikipedia users saw it, I can't be the only one annoyed.<br /> <br /> <br /> Hrm, I wonder if it's related to this "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:CentralAuth">CentralAuth</a>" thing? Maybe I've been signed up to some WikiMedia service I don't want that causes this, rather than Wikipedia itself.<br /> <br /> There's a whole bunch of pointlessly small icons when I log in. None of them links (!?) and none of them seem directly related to the message, but perhaps they are in some way, or there's some other stuff somewhere.<br /> <br /> Bleurgh.<br /> <br /> <span class="emoticon e_confused_dead" title="X-S"><span class="e__">X-S</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.14&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Mouse<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 07:57</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 08:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.15">38891.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.4">38891.4</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Hey.. oh. Thanks I think. If you're genuinely interested in what you are working in then I think it should become part of your individual social postings. I could post much more stuff about work but I don't because much of it would be relevant to my customers but maybe not my personal social circle. But you know, sometimes them things cross over <draws appropriate Venn diagram></p> <p> </p> <p>But yeah, should be targetted to US users that Wikipedia thing, is it definitely Wikipedia doing it? I didn't mind when the banner popped up from Jimmy Wales asking for donations. In fact I donated I think.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.15&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 08:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mouse <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 09:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.16">38891.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.13#a38891_15" target="_self">38891.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Oh yeah, there's a difference between talking about something interesting you're doing at work (even if it's partly for promotional purposes) and ... flat out promotion - 'we now sell x', '50% sale now on' or whatever. Your stuff is never that.<br /> <br /> Your stuff is interesting because you care about it and because you're really creative with it (which relates I think to there being some overlap for you, this isn't <i>just</i> commercial). And creativity is always pleasant to see.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.16&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ANT_THOMAS<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 09:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 09:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.17">38891.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.13#a38891_16" target="_self">38891.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>And most of all I like "real-life" photos, which is what Mouse seems to do well with a few snaps of new guitars and people who come into the shop. </p> <p> </p> <p>Whilst phone photos are often shit in terms of technical quality I seem to like a quick snap of something at work more than a well composed photo. That's one of the reasons I like twitter, I'm sad enough to like seeing photos that other people put up (mainly from painfully boring celebs <span class="emoticon e_embarrassed" title=":$"><span class="e__">:$</span></span> )</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.17&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 09:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ANT_THOMAS <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 09:29"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.18">38891.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.13#a38891_17" target="_self">38891.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, I prefer 'snaps' over proper photography too. I've never really <i>got</i> art photography, I find it kinda pointless and dull.<br /> <br /> But yeah, I like the way non-SLR photos look. They have a sort of intimacy. And I like 'this is what I saw today' type pics.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.18&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 09:44</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 09:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.19">38891.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.13#a38891_18" target="_self">38891.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> By "non-SLR" do you mean compact cameras?<br /> <br /> If so, I'd guess the reason the pictures look different is because people tend to use compact cameras for different things than 'proper' cameras like SLRs; they see SLRs as for 'serious' (i.e. possibly boring) photos.<br /> <br /> (edit: the reason I ask is that there are cameras like the Olympus EP3 or Panasonic GH2 that aren't SLRs, but aren't compacts either, and probably aren't used the same way compacts generally are.)<br /> <br /> Also, I would guess that when you think of 'SLR photos' you're thinking of landscapes or portraits or <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/caerphoto/5987535555/in/photostream/">something</a>, as opposed to pictures of nights out, or snapshots from around the home. I also like pictures of people in their surroundings, rather than headshots.<br /> <br /> non-SLR photo:<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/caerphoto/6023330378/" title="Zoe at the bottom of steps by caerphoto, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/6023330378_04a1c1011d.jpg" width="500" height="374" alt="Zoe at the bottom of steps" /></a><br /> <br /> SLR photo:<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/caerphoto/4012695372/" title="kitty on the landing by caerphoto, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2535/4012695372_708f7aa693.jpg" width="500" height="336" alt="kitty on the landing" /></a><br /> <br /> I guess my (not particularly good) point is that the camera used to take a photo has less to do with how it looks than the reason for taking the photo in the first place.<br /> <br /> edit:<br /> I realise I'm not exactly common in that I tend to take snaps around the home using whichever camera (compact or SLR) I happen to have nearby. Occasionally I'll choose the SLR specifically, if the picture I have in mind calls for a telephoto lens (the compact only has a wideangle), but not often.<br /> <br /> Apart from that, I'm with you on the 'snaps' thing. Landscape photos have to be really good to interest me, whereas pictures of people or where those people live* I find interesting almost by default.<br /> <br /> * by 'where they live' I mean where they live their lives, i.e. the city they live and work in, the places they go to, where they work, not just their house.<br /> <br /> edit:<br /> I will stop editing this post now <span class="emoticon e_embarrassed" title=":$"><span class="e__">:$</span></span><div class="edit_text">EDITED: 8 Sep 2011 09:52 by CAER</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.19&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 10:03</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 10:05"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.20">38891.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.13#a38891_19" target="_self">38891.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Nah, I was using 'non-SLRs' to encompass compacts and phone-cameras and so on. But what I really mean is fixed focus (I think that's the term? The ones where they're focussed at infinity (I think <span class="emoticon e_crying" title=":(("><span class="e__">:((</span></span> ) and you can't alter the focal length (I think <span class="emoticon e_crying" title=":(("><span class="e__">:((</span></span> )) cameras. I Think they lend the photos taken a particular quality - maybe conventional (due to what they tend to be used for) rather than innate but I <i>suspect</i> it's more innate than that. Something to do with how they show depth or something. I'm not sure.<br /> <br /> Also (and this was also encompassed in that 'non-SLR' thing) I like out of focus, blurry, scratchy, noisy, washed out images (combinations thereof, not all those at once necessarily <span class="emoticon e_grin" title=":D"><span class="e__">:D</span></span> ). I like the sketchiness of that - that's more like visual memory - vague and imperfect and hazy. 'Good' photos are too stark - they're neither like looking at something nor like remembering something and (perhaps as a result of that or perhaps just because) they leave me cold. There's something alien and, I think, alienating about them.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.20&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 10:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 10:12"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.21">38891.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.13#a38891_19" target="_self">38891.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Regarding subjects... I'm also not generally moved by 'narrative'. I don't care about 'here is a working man who has lived here his whole life and you can read his life story in his pose' kinda stuff. I find that... <i>sort of</i> arrogant and patronising. I mean photography's always had this problem of an implied veracity or fidelity with reality, and the tension between that and 'constructing' an image - creating meaning rather than simple depiction.<br /> <br /> I'm rambling. I like snapshots. Photos that don't try to be more than simple depiction (and depiction of something worth depicting) or recording (<- I realise that's a dodgy term here. It's an intent of the photographernot a property of the photo). And I like it to look that way - like something shot from the hip without much thought, sketchy and inexact and suggestive.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 8 Sep 2011 10:12 by X3N0PH0N</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.21&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38891_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_38891_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time"> 8 Sep 2011 10:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 Sep 2011 10:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 27</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.22">38891.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38891.13#a38891_20" target="_self">38891.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ah reet, I think I understand what you mean. By 'non-SLR', then, I'd guess you mean small-sensor cameras with fixed lenses (like on phones), which, yeah, have an innate quality: deep depth of field (everything in focus), limited dynamic range, harsh tonal transitions, etc.<br /> <br /> The whole "out of focus, blurry, scratchy, noisy, washed out images" thing isn't really innate to any modern dedicated camera (i.e. a device designed primarily for taking pictures), so more often than not it's added after the picture's taken (witness the popularity of <a href="http://community.hipstamatic.com/albums/3">Hipstamatic</a> and <a href="http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/products/all/plastic-bullet/">Plastic Bullet</a>).<br /> <br /> Why do you find the pictures you described (in your next post) arrogant and patronising?<br /> <br /> As for the problem of implied veracity, well, tbh I wish the whole "the camera never lies" things had never come about, although it has led to some interesting things that deliberately confront the concept.<br /> <br /> It seems to me that the kinds of photos you like are street photography pictures, this sorta thing:<br /> <img src="http://laurencemillergallery.com/Images/hcb_sbs2.jpg" /><br /> <br /> That's the kinda thing I like too, although that seems to be a minority opinion if camera forums are anything to go by (that picture would be derided for being soft, noisy and badly-framed).<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 8 Sep 2011 10:22 by CAER</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38891.22&return_msg=38891.13" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38891.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="38891.23" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>