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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.0&return_msg=38555.15"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.21">21–30</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.71">71–76</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=38555.15">Where is the £ Key?</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="38555_15_76_10"> <a name="a38555_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15">38555.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.11">38555.11</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Ok had a quick skim and yeah it's just the usual neo-nazi nonsense.<br /> <br /> I think firstly you have to separate Islam out from the behaviour of Islamic states and individuals. The actions of these states and peopel is no more representative of Islam than the USA's actions are of Christianity. The IRA were not Christian terrorists, they were just terrorists (or freedom fighters, depending on perspective). Those Catholic Priests who sexually abused children were not representative of Christianity. The Tokugawa Shogunate were not representative of Buddhism. And so on and so on.<br /> <br /> The west is not "under attack" by Islam. Western culture will certainly be influenced by large numbers of Muslim immigrants, just as it was by countless waves of other immigrants over the millennia. The slightly hidden assumption is that this is a bad thing, which remains to be proven.<br /> <br /> It's the same old stuff. It used to be (in Europe/Britain) directed against the Jews (well, the Jews still get it, sadly). Then it was the blacks and Indians, then the Pakistanis and now it's the Muslims in general and to a lesser extent the Eastern Europeans. There's nothing new in it and its no more a compelling argument now than it was 500 years ago. <br /> <br /> We're always afraid of people we see as 'other' encroaching on what we see as ours. And we're always afraid that our culture will be eroded, which supposes that culture was ever a fixed, static thing and that it's something that can and should be protected, which is pretty ridiculous.<br /> <br /> H8rs gonna h8.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.15&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.15"> <span class="rating">+1/1</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.16">38555.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_15" target="_self">38555.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You're right on about that, so how can you be so wrong about the (#) pound key?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.16&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:20</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.17">38555.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_16" target="_self">38555.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Stop eroding my culture you fucking muslim.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.17&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:22</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.18">38555.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_17" target="_self">38555.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You watch it mister, or I'll whatever the bad things muslim's do and you won't like it!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.18&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:24</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:25"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.19">38555.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_18" target="_self">38555.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <span class="emoticon e_csad" title=":C"><span class="e__">:C</span></span><br /> <br /> Ok now I really am going to go try DX:HR</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.19&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:25</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:33"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.20">38555.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_19" target="_self">38555.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Have fun. I'll talk to you tomorrow!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.20&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:43"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.21">38555.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_19" target="_self">38555.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Sorry, still here. Do you know who Pat Condell is?</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.21&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:48"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.22">38555.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_21" target="_self">38555.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Only after a quick wiki. Seems to be another dick.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.22&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 02:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 02:50"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.23">38555.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_22" target="_self">38555.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> haha, you kill me man! I don't think he's a dick. Watch <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxbYBIlT6VE">this</a> if you get time.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.23&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38555_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_38555_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 2 Jun 2011 03:08</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 2 Jun 2011 03:09"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 76</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.24">38555.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38555.15#a38555_23" target="_self">38555.23</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yeah, definitely a dick. Talking a lot of shit.<br /> <br /> Again, he's conflating the actions of people who profess to be Muslims with the religion Islam. He's also using "the news" as evidence for Islamic violence <span class="emoticon e_questioned" title=":?"><span class="e__">:?</span></span> News organisations have a vested interest in stirring things up and also are by default representing 'our' (western, non-muslim) perspective. Ask the people of Afghanistan and Iraq whether Muslims or Christians are more violent. <br /> <br /> It's valid to criticise Islam (or any other religion), it's valid to criticise Islamic culture (which is separate from but related to the religion of course), it's valid to criticise state actions and it's valid to criticise the actions of individuals. It's invalid to conflate all that into one thing and pretend that one is indicative or representative of the other.<br /> <br /> The Muslim world is as varied and as potentially violent as the Christian world. People are varied and, often, violent.<br /> <br /> Some people who would identify as culturally or religiously Islamic or both feel, quite understandably, that their culture is under attack from and risks being subsumed by American culture. I think this is more realistic - this fear that global free market economics and the multinational corporations which represent that ideology, along with the governments which are funded by that ideology and happen to be the richest and best-armed nations in the world pose a threat to Islamic culture - than to think that immigrants from Islamic countries will collapse western democratic capitalism by wearing different clothes and building some mosques.<br /> <br /> It's just ridiculous. <br /> <br /> It's complex, and he's trying to pretend it's simple in order to entertain xenophobes and idiots.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38555.24&return_msg=38555.15" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38555.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="38555.25" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>