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There has to be a reason for that. It's not like we are just letting our cars run day and night because it's fun!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.14&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2011 19:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2011 19:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.15">38437.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.9">38437.9</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>It's OK Shieldywieldy, it's not your fault (it is, though). It's a cultural thing and it's beeing going on at least since the 50s.</p> <p> </p> <p>Look at the diference in the top selling cars in the US vs UK for instance.</p> <p> </p> <p>Top two in the US</p> <p> </p> <p>1. Ford F-150, 23 mpg<br /> 2. Chevy Silverado, 20 mpg</p> <p> </p> <p><br /> Top two in the UK</p> <p> </p> <p>1. Ford Fiesta, 51 mpg<br /> 2. Vauxhall Astra, 47 mpg</p> <p> </p> <p>I've made all mpg figures in US Gallons, and the figures are for Highway Miles for the US cars and Extra Urban for UK (think they're basically the same thing?)</p> <p> </p> <p><br /> All four cars are made by American companies, so it's not like you don't have access to some crazy fuel efficiency tech that the rest of the world has.</p> <p> </p> <p><br /> And to be honest, the fact that you think it's BS that a finite resource has a relatively high price in the first place is symptomatic of a culture that is entirely geared towards consumption (not just of oil, but everything else that is and can be consumed by a country is underpinned by oil) - every aspect of US media, culture and politics seems to have that one goal (to an outsider at least).</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.15&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2011 19:40</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2011 19:41"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.16">38437.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.14#a38437_15" target="_self">38437.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Very good points. I think some of it is psychological. We want big ass cars and trucks. I remember a few years ago everyone wanted a Hummer. I think and wish they would enforce a minimum mpg of at lest 35.</p> <p> </p> <p>I used to hear rumors of people inventing cars that would get over 100 mpg and the oil companies buying the ideas/patents just so they wouldn't get used.</p> <p> </p> <p>But you're right, just about every bit of packaging contains some type of petroleum product. So it's not just at the pump it's everywhere!</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.16&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2011 19:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2011 19:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.17">38437.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.14#a38437_16" target="_self">38437.16</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>It's not just packaging, it's /everything/. Like actually /everything/.</p> <p> </p> <p>I still beleive that the real cause of the recession is/was oil prices, and as the world/west recovers and the demand goes back up the price rises again, and it'll come back and bight us in the ass again and again.</p> <p> </p> <p>It's not to do with oil running out per se, but to do with the maximum rate at which we can get it out of the ground. There is very little spare capacity in the system (most of the OPEC capacity is unverified and probably made up, as member quotas are based on how much oil they /say/ they have in the ground)</p> <p> </p> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory</a></p> <p> </p> <p><br /> And peope here still want big cars and to consume non stop, it's just that on a widescale cultural level it hasn't reached the same level of engrained 'entitlement' to consume that seems to exist in the US (I say this entirely based on chatting to people online and your countries media output - I've never been to the US, closest I've been is Canada which seems quite similar in a lot of ways :$).</p> <p> </p> <p>That is changing here though, each new generation seems to think it's entitled to more and more. I think I'm getting old <span class="emoticon e_sad" title=":("><span class="e__">:(</span></span></p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.17&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2011 19:51</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2011 19:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.18">38437.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.14#a38437_17" target="_self">38437.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> This is a message I sent to Xen in November 2008. Still freaks me out how acurate this guy's book is about stuff <span class="emoticon e_plain" title=":|"><span class="e__">:|</span></span><br /> <br /> <br /> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">I've been banging on about this book for what seems like ages now, but I've been re-reading some parts of it today and came across this passage. Book was written 2 years ago roughly, and this reads more like a history of the last 18 months rather than conjecture on what could happen if oil production peaks.<br /> <br /> Do you know much/read much about 'peak oil'? It's a pretty interesting topic, but it's hard to know what to take seriously in all the poo that's out there.<br /> quote: The Last Oil Shock<br /> [talking about realisation in the markets that oil only needs to peak, not run out, to cause chaos]<br /> But the moment the money men get it, the price of oil and other energy assets will soar, and almost everything else will go into meltdown.<br /> <br /> A major spike in oil price is recessionary not only because of its direct effects on the global economy, but also because it is likely to cause stock markets around the world to crash, further reinforcing the recessionary pressures. This in turn will lead to second order effects, such as the deepening insolvency of many pension funds, which hold the bulk of their investments in stocks and shares. This fallout is likely to be particularly bloody in Britain, where the Pensions Regulator is monitoring 300 major occupational schemes that are already in danger of going bust.<br /> ...<br /> The value of endowment policies will collapse too, with devastating effect on the borrowers who were counting on them to repay their mortgage, and the housing market as a whole. The banking sector will act as a multiplier: since so much lending is ‘secured’ against future economic growth, as the outlook worsens lending will fall, leading to further contraction. [my emphasisisisis]</div></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.18&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2011 19:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2011 20:19"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.19">38437.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.14#a38437_17" target="_self">38437.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>True dat homie.</p> <p> </p> <p>I used to feel entitled and then I too got old. It's funny how time does that to you.</p> <p> </p> <p>Something certainly has to change, and I sure wish I had the answer to how we are going to get our dependence on oil reduced but I don't.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.19&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2011 19:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2011 19:59"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.20">38437.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.14#a38437_19" target="_self">38437.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We should all get <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeLorean_time_machine#Mr._Fusion">Mr Fusions</a> installed on our cars. We should all own and drive DeLoreans, too.<br /> <br /> Or maybe not.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 3 May 2011 19:58 by MATT</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.20&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 3 May 2011 20:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 May 2011 20:00"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.21">38437.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.14#a38437_20" target="_self">38437.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I would take a hoverboard!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.21&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: PNCOOL<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2011 15:53</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 May 2011 17:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.22">38437.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.1">38437.1</a></div> <div class="message_body"> You can keep your cheaper-than-UK fuel. My car would spit the fuel back out if I tried to run it on 93 RON unleaded. I don't even think it would let me open the fuel cap if it knew I was trying to put 87 RON fuel into it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.22&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38437_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_38437_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)<span class="message_time"> 4 May 2011 17:58</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: PNCOOL <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 7 May 2011 21:15"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 65</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.23">38437.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38437.14#a38437_22" target="_self">38437.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> 87 is the only thing we can afford!</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38437.23&return_msg=38437.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38437.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="38437.24" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>