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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.0&return_msg=38188.40"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.1">1–10</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.41">41–50</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.51">51–60</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.91">91–95</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=38188.40">HTML radio buttons</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="38188_40_95_10"> <a name="a38188_40"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_40"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: af (CAER)<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 09:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 12:20"></span></span> <span class="message_count">40 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40">38188.40</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.37">38188.37</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Heh, I was agreeing with you, more or less, up til this post.<br /> <br /> I don't think Python has "no chance", more that it will remain a niche product. Don't forget, Google are heavily invested into Python: a significant amount of their server-side code is written in it. That said, the popularity of Python frameworks like Django is still much less than Rails, and that itself is a smaller slice of the pie than PHP, so while I don't think Python will ever die off, nor do I think it will ever become as popular as Ruby, PHP or JavaScript.<br /> <br /> I also don't think saying "Firefox will always have more functionality than Chrome" is the same thing at all as saying "Firefox will always remain relevant". You appear to be making the classic mistake most geeks make, in that you're assuming that functionality, extensibility and choice is what most people want. It's not. Most people who use the internet don't give two hoots about that, they just want to search on Google, read stuff on Wikipedia, buy stuff from Amazon, and maybe post on a forum or two. Simplicity and speed is precisely what they want. Most of them don't even know what a browser <em>is</em>, and it's only through Google's massive advertising efforts that Chrome has any relevance at all outside the tech world.<br /> <br /> As for Chrome's Dev Tools, well, I kinda prefer Chrome for my work over Firefox and Firebug, mostly because after a while Firefox starts pushing my CPU to 100% a lot even for simple things like DOM operations, and also because it's faster. There are a few things Firebug does that I sometimes need, and in such cases I'll use it, but mostly I work better with Chrome.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 10 Feb 2011 09:52 by CAER</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.40&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.40"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_41"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_41"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 12:42</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: af (CAER) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 12:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">41 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.41">38188.41</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_40" target="_self">38188.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I didn't say Python would die - I said it wouldn't usurp all other choices. (Though I didn't say JS would do that either.)<br /> <br /> <br /> All those people you're talking about using Chrome are generally not the main Firefox userbase; they're mostly IE users.<br /> I'm pointing out that people using Firefox are doing so for the plugins and configurability - there's no compelling reason for them to step backwards into a less-flexible browser - and so Firefox is going to stay around.<br /> <br /> As I think I said - Mozilla didn't let Chrome in the backdoor, because they're aimed at didn't types of people.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.41&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.41"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 15:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 15:30"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.42">38188.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_41" target="_self">38188.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> My wife uses FireFox. It's not the only thing she's wrong about, nor the most serious.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.42&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_43"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_43"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Radio<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 15:47</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 19:36"></span></span> <span class="message_count">43 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.43">38188.43</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.19">38188.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Er, there is no server side.<br /> I'm calculating a price and showing it in the browser, everything is done client side.</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.43&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_44"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_44"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 15:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Radio <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 18:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">44 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.44">38188.44</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_43" target="_self">38188.43</a></div> <div class="message_body"> If it's a thing where you can order stuff that's probably a bad idea, if it's just for information you can probably get away with it.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.44&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.44"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_45"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_45"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Manthorp<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 17:12</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 18:27"></span></span> <span class="message_count">45 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.45">38188.45</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_42" target="_self">38188.42</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <noemots>Her choice in men is a bit dodgy <span class="emoticon e_wink" title=";-)"><span class="e__">;-)</span></span></noemots></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.45&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.45"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_46"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_46"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 18:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Manthorp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 21:07"></span></span> <span class="message_count">46 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.46">38188.46</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_45" target="_self">38188.45</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I know what you mean...the fathers of her two daughters for starters! <span class="emoticon e_pipe" title=":Y"><span class="e__">:Y</span></span></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.46&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.46"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_47"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_47"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Radio<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 18:48</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 22:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">47 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.47">38188.47</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_44" target="_self">38188.44</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Definitely just for info only. It's not even something that's likely to go outside the team, just being written as a sort of learning experience.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.47&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.47"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_48"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_48"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 21:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 22:39"></span></span> <span class="message_count">48 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.48">38188.48</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_41" target="_self">38188.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> The proportion of users who care about the things that you can configure in FF which you can't in Chrome is going to be so tiny as to be insignificant. And Chrome has plugins/addons/whatever, I don't know where you arrived at a belief otherwise.<br /> <br /> Chrome is good in exactly the ways in which FF was good when it was good. It's lightweight and fast without lacking in customisability. Those were the reasons people jumped from IE to FF and they are the same reasons people (the vast majority of) will jump from FF to Chrome. Alongside the continued steady trickle of not-technically-minded people who realise they don't <i>have</i> to use IE. <br /> <br /> I used Firefox when it was better. I'm hardly a typical IE user. I may not be as techy as you, but I make websites for a living and use the web a lot. And I jumped to Chrome when it became better than FF. Caer is more techy than me and he did the same. I think this group of users you're describing is largely imaginary.<br /> <br /> On the odd occasion when I have to use FF now it feels... almost as bad as using IE.</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.48&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.48"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a38188_49"></a><div class="message" id="message_38188_49"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)<span class="message_time">10 Feb 2011 21:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 10 Feb 2011 22:21"></span></span> <span class="message_count">49 of 95</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.49">38188.49</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=38188.40#a38188_48" target="_self">38188.48</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>But this browser-jumpiing/-savvy demographic is hardly representative of the majority though, is it? </p> <p> </p> <p>That majority may be luddites, but they're the luddites that your web sites have to appeal to (unless you build intranets/extranets, or demographically controlled/restricted sites).</p> <p> </p> <p>(What happens when Chrome becomes like FireFox?)</p></div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=38188.49&return_msg=38188.40" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="38188.49"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="38188.50" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>