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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.0&return_msg=34064.21"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21">21–30</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=34064.21">Functional programming</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="34064_21_30_10"> <a name="a34064_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time">18 Mar 2008 16:18</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: koswix <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Mar 2008 21:40"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21">34064.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.20">34064.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Yeah, "Several beekeepers who were passing by stopped to aid the workers in controlling the bees."? I think there's more to this than meets the eye. Some kind of conspiracy, I'm just not sure what.</p> <p> </p> <p>Perhaps one of the Beehive team was trying for some guerilla marketing but kinda fucked it up?</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.21&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time">18 Mar 2008 19:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">22 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.22">34064.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I was all excited cos there were 15 new posts on my functional programming thread. Then I find out it's just a bunch of cunts talking about fucking bees. <span class="emoticon e_fail" title="(fail)"><span class="e__">(fail)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.22&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time">18 Mar 2008 19:21</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Mar 2008 22:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.23">34064.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21#a34064_22" target="_self">34064.22</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Then I find out it's just a bunch of cunts talking about fucking bees.</div><br /> <br /> Oww! <span class="emoticon e_stitched" title=":X"><span class="e__">:X</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.23&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_24"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_24"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: koswix<span class="message_time">18 Mar 2008 21:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 18 Mar 2008 23:18"></span></span> <span class="message_count">24 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.24">34064.24</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21#a34064_21" target="_self">34064.21</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Maybe it was some sort of bee terrorism. Bin Laden is secretly stealing the bees, which is why they had to import more of them in 2005, one by one and some crack FBI bee-keepers are being paid to follow all bee movements to try and break this illegal bee stealing ring. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.24&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.24"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_25"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_25"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Rowan<span class="message_time">19 Mar 2008 18:05</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 19 Mar 2008 20:49"></span></span> <span class="message_count">25 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.25">34064.25</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.6">34064.6</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>If it's got mutable variables or functions with side-effects, it just isn't functional programming at all, no two ways about it. Type inference is nice, though, I agree. And lambda calculus allows you to feel geekily superior, which I suppose you like.</p> <p> </p> <p>Meh, it all seems like yet more pretty sprinklings of syntactic sugar, which I'm all for, I just took issue with it being called 'functional programming'.</p> <p> </p> <p>I was going to make a dig at you being uneducated and having never gone to uni, and all that jazz, but going to Bracknell has killed all of my fighting spirit. I may never jibe again.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.25&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.25"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_26"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_26"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time">19 Mar 2008 20:54</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Rowan <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Mar 2008 09:26"></span></span> <span class="message_count">26 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.26">34064.26</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21#a34064_25" target="_self">34064.25</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Pedant. You can do stuff like currying and partial application, too.</p> <p> </p> <p>Anyway, like I said, C# 3.0 has FP-ish elements, but I agree they're all pretty much syntactic sugar. Which is why I've got F# to play with too, because it's proper functional, being a .NET CLR implementation of CaML. You can actually do defines which allow mutable variables, but immutable is the default. And it does proper function list handling, without stacks and all that nonsense.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.26&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.26"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_27"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_27"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Rowan<span class="message_time">21 Mar 2008 09:27</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 21 Mar 2008 17:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">27 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.27">34064.27</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21#a34064_26" target="_self">34064.26</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Mm. I had to do ML at uni. It's pretty much evil to it's core, I decided. And whenever you want to do something good, you just call a C library anyway... </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.27&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.27"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_28"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_28"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time">21 Mar 2008 17:39</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Rowan <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 23 Mar 2008 17:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">28 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.28">34064.28</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21#a34064_27" target="_self">34064.27</a></div> <div class="message_body"> I wouldn't want to try to achieve anything major using it. Could be quite useful for calling from imperative code for doing stuff like stream processing though. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.28&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.28"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_29"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_29"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Rowan<span class="message_time">23 Mar 2008 17:04</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 24 Mar 2008 07:24"></span></span> <span class="message_count">29 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.29">34064.29</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21#a34064_28" target="_self">34064.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Rendle and Haskell, sitting in a tree, R-E-C-U-R-S-I-N-G! <span class="emoticon e_shock" title=":O"><span class="e__">:O</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.29&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a34064_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_34064_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time">24 Mar 2008 07:29</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Rowan <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 25 Mar 2008 13:37"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 30</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.30">34064.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=34064.21#a34064_29" target="_self">34064.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Too many languages, too little time. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=34064.30&return_msg=34064.21" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="34064.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> </div> </body>