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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.0&return_msg=30586.33"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.21">21–30</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.31">31–40</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.41">41–50</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.61">61–64</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=30586.33">LP :meow:</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="30586_33_64_10"> <a name="a30586_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_30586_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2006 09:45</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Sep 2006 15:57"></span></span> <span class="message_count">33 of 64</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.33">30586.33</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.28">30586.28</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I believe it's worse because firstly, a lot more people died, and secondly the Brighton bomb was an attack against a government rather than an attack against ordinary civilians. I'm not saying the Brighton bomb was right, it was deplorable.</p> <p> </p> <p>Similaly with 9/11, most people think of the twin towers. Lots less think of the attack on the Pentagon because that could be constituted as a legitimate military/government target, even if it was a plane full of civilians which was used for the attack.</p> <p> </p> <p>Ultimately, I'm with LP on this one. Does America's foregin policy mean that we should remember or grieve for those civilians who died and their families any less? How would you feel if a terrorist had killed someone you knew? Would it be any more acceptable just because our government's foreign policy is bullshit?</p> <p> </p> <p>Had they lived, many of the victims of 9/11 probably would have been against America's role in Iraq. America is asking for it a lot of the time with its foreign policy, as is Britain to a degree these days. But targetted attacks designed to murder as many ordinary civilians as possible? Regardless of whether it's Al Quaeda, America, Israel, Iraqi insurgents etc, it's never even remotely condonable.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.33&return_msg=30586.33" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="30586.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a30586_34"></a><div class="message" id="message_30586_34"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: -Daz-<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2006 14:55</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: lp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 May 2007 17:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">34 of 64</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.34">30586.34</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.29">30586.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Where were you on the night of July 28th when Nguku Muntabae was assaulted on Paddington Green?</p> <p> </p> <p>See? It all ties in.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.34&return_msg=30586.33" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="30586.34"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a30586_35"></a><div class="message" id="message_30586_35"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: JonCooper<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2006 16:09</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Sep 2006 18:11"></span></span> <span class="message_count">35 of 64</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.35">30586.35</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.33#a30586_33" target="_self">30586.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> my concern is that the US thinks it's so much worse when it happens to them, the Brighton bombing was only one incident in a very long campaign of terrorisim that was mostly funded by the USA and in particular by New Yorkers<br /> <br /> when they supported and funded the poor Irish against the nasty tyrannical Brits it was ok<br /> <br /> but when it's the poor Iraquis or Afganis against the nasty and tyrannical USA that <i>cannot</i> be acceptable<br /> <br /> I note that it was proved last week, to the satisfaction of the US Senate, that Iraq did not support, fund or even trust Al Quaeda - so, no WMD & no Terrorists (then) yet we get to bomb the fuck out of them because we don't approve of their leader ~ when are we off to bomb Mugabe ? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.35&return_msg=30586.33" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="30586.35"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a30586_36"></a><div class="message" id="message_30586_36"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2006 18:17</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: JonCooper <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 12 Sep 2006 18:22"></span></span> <span class="message_count">36 of 64</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.36">30586.36</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.33#a30586_35" target="_self">30586.35</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Quite right. I however don't give a damn about the US in general, but I do care about the needless death of civilians wherever it is. 9/11 was an atrocity, but so are most terrorist attacks and a lot of attacks by the US and particulaly recently, Israel. </p> <p> </p> <p>I never feel it OK to even try and justify any of them by thinking for example "What Israel did in Lebanon was bad, therefore that suicide bomber was justified in blowing up that Israeli market place" because the people who die and suffer are just civilians caught up in the mess created by their governments.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.36&return_msg=30586.33" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="30586.36"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 30586.37 was deleted</div> <a name="a30586_38"></a><div class="message" id="message_30586_38"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: SMD<span class="message_time">12 Sep 2006 19:43</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: lp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 May 2007 17:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">38 of 64</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.38">30586.38</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.29">30586.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b></div><div class="quote">Saif: In 1994 I was 15 & not really that fussed about anything outside my circle of friends & more worried about what band I would discover next or when my next band practice was. Sorry.</div><br /> <br /> I was only 9 at the time, yet I couldn't get away from the whole Rwandan massacre thing, just a couple of years after Bosnia.<br /> <br /> Fact of the matter is, the attacks on the World Trade Centre wouldn't be such a 'disaster' if it hadn't have happened in America. The damage was more psychological than collateral.<br /> <br /> What's the point in remembering the dead if we don't change the present and the future? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.38&return_msg=30586.33" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="30586.38"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 30586.39 was deleted</div> <a name="a30586_40"></a><div class="message" id="message_30586_40"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: dyl<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2006 11:31</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: lp <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 8 May 2007 17:04"></span></span> <span class="message_count">40 of 64</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.40">30586.40</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.29">30586.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>The bit about drinking cider and eating mushrooms: why the "fuck you"? I thought you'd admitted as much. Nowt wrong with it. Though being reformed is undoubtedly working out better for you. Good stuff.</p> <p> </p> <p>(waits to see how you'll contrive to find offence in something I've said...)</p> <p> </p> <p>September 11th - I'm disinclined to be cynical. Shame it always gets the same response, I agree. Though at the point I heard about it on the morning of 11/9/01, I have to admit that my first thought wasn't for the people dying in NY, it was "oh shit, this is just the excuse Bush has been waiting for to declare war on the rest of the world".</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.40&return_msg=30586.33" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="30586.40"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><div class="message"> Message 30586.41 was deleted</div> <a name="a30586_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_30586_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Username<span class="message_time">13 Sep 2006 11:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Mr (M00RL0CK) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 13 Sep 2006 11:46"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 64</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.42">30586.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=30586.33#a30586_41" target="_self">30586.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <s><whatever the word is><s> </s></s> desensitized. If you see enough of something, it becomes numb and meaningless after the, 1 millionth time you see it.<br /> Desensitized.<div class="edit_text">EDITED: 13 Sep 2006 11:39 by USERNAME</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=30586.42&return_msg=30586.33" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="30586.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="30586.43" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>