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Seems like overkill though. We shouldn't need a dedicated server for a web forum. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.34&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.34"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_35"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_35"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">35 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.35">29871.35</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.32">29871.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It wouldn't need to be a cron job - it could be a manual admin function. This place has got, what, five years of posts? So even on busier places it'd probably not need to be run more than yearly, thus speed isn't a huge issue; people expect/accept that archive operations take a period of time.<br /> <br /> <br /> The search page could have an additional option:<br /> Search [current|archived|both]<br /> Or maybe it could be automatic based on the from/to dates selected, with a message signifying whether archived messages would be searched.<br /> <br /> <br /> As for the difficultly of implementing it, I don't agree with that either.<br /> You could keep the existing queries as they are, and if relevant do a second SELECT on the archived bits and UNION it to the initial query.<br /> <br /> <br /> And finally, regarding the no-one will make it bit, I will be working on integrating Beehive with my next site in (hopefully) a month or two, so if nobody else does it I may have a look at doing it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.35&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.35"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_36"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_36"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">36 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.36">29871.36</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.34#a29871_34" target="_self">29871.34</a></div> <div class="message_body"> True, but this server has always been slow. It's never been as fast as some of our previous hosting has been. Granted it's mostly been faster than recently, but never blazingly quick. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.36&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.36"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_37"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_37"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ian<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">37 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.37">29871.37</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.32">29871.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b>Homer Simpson</div><div class="quote">If something's hard to do then it's not worth doing.</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.37&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.37"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_38"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_38"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">38 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.38">29871.38</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.34#a29871_35" target="_self">29871.35</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Hmm. I wasn't really thinking of it as anything more than a one-off. If it would be a useful feature generally then, aye, makes it worth it.</p> <p> </p> <p>It'd still take ages to execute here and that is a problem. </p> <p> </p> <p>As for complexity - yeah, it could be done as you say but... why bother? That offers no advantage over just making this forum read-only and starting again. Well, little advantage.</p> <p> </p> <p>If it were to be done properly it would happen in a sort of rolling way. And that would be hard. By which I mean not having to run a script to do the archiving but mechanisms put in place whereby older posts (beyond an arbitrary threshhold) aren't involved in queries. But... I have no idea how that might be done.</p> <p> </p> <p>But aye, if you're up for making it then that's cool by me, of course.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.38&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.38"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_39"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_39"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">39 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.39">29871.39</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I'm just looking at the message SQL with my optimizing hat on, and there's quite a lot that could be done to reduce the load on the database there.</p> <p> </p> <p>The SQL includes a join to the THREAD table from every post, which is redundant. The values from the THREAD table can be retrieved in a single SELECT before the message SQL is run.</p> <p> </p> <p>There are four joins to the user table, one of which (APPROVED_USER) is only relevant if posts have to be approved by an administrator, and another (EDIT_USER) only if the post has been edited by someone other than the original author. The APPROVED_USER join could be added in conditionally, and the EDIT_USER could be done using singleton SELECTs after the main select is finished.</p> <p> </p> <p>This one might be a stretch: there are two joins to the USER_PEER table for the relationship and the new peer nickname thing. It might make more sense to do a single select against the USER_PEER table for the logged-in user and cache the result in an array, then get the values from that. It kind of depends on how many peers people have, on average. I've got 23, mostly ignoring sigs. Some testing might be advisable for this one.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.39&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.39"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_40"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_40"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 13:16</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">40 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.40">29871.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Also, I reckon the slow performance in the threadlist could probably be improved just by deleting most of the records in the USER_THREAD table, e.g. ones for threads which haven't been updated in the last three(?) months. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.40&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.40"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_41"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_41"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 13:26</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 13:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">41 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.41">29871.41</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.34#a29871_40" target="_self">29871.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Would that not make all the old threads show up as unread? </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.41&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.41"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_42"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_42"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: andy<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 13:38</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 13:51"></span></span> <span class="message_count">42 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.42">29871.42</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.34#a29871_40" target="_self">29871.40</a></div> <div class="message_body"> That's what Delphi used to do, I remember. Although maybe their cut-off point was closer to 6 months. Anyway.<br /> <br /> (Pete: You just modify the query to be "SELECT [unread] AND [most-recent-post-in-thread-date > NOW() - 3months]").</div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.42&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.42"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_43"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_43"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 13:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 14:03"></span></span> <span class="message_count">43 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.43">29871.43</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.34#a29871_41" target="_self">29871.41</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Yes, yes it would. I submit that that doesn't really matter one tiny little bit. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.43&return_msg=29871.34" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.43"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="29871.44" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>