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This feels like wishful thinking but I do not know. Anyway - somehow semiarchiving old stuff so it isn't actually affecting anything except on the rare occassion someone isn't going through old threads. Hmm, no, this doesn't sound likely. Hm. </p> <p> </p> <p>having it all separate and readonly feels wrong somehow.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.29&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.29"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_30"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_30"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 09:41</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: milko <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 09:54"></span></span> <span class="message_count">30 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.30">29871.30</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_29" target="_self">29871.29</a></div> <div class="message_body"> We could convert old stuff to static HTML files, and then use a search engine to index both the database and files together.<br /> <br /> Lucene is an Apache open-source one of those, which can be <a href="http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.html">integrated with PHP via Zend</a>, although again it appears to be a PHP5 solution. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.30&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.30"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_31"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_31"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ian<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:06</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ALL<span class="message_count">31 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.31">29871.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I'm not entirely sure if I know what I'm talking about but would it not be possible to periodically move posts/threads etc. that are older than a certain amount of time (say a year) to a seperate table (or tables) which are then only ever searched when absolutely neccessary?</p> <p> </p> <p>So regular thread list 'stuff' would only look at the 'current' table(s) wheras the Search might look at both the 'current' and the 'archive' table(s) using whatever SQL magic that requires.</p> <p> </p> <p>Any time a post is retrieved it would compare its number to the 'last-archived-thread' and based on that decide which table(s) to get it from. For the most part it would only require recent posts so only ever do stuff with the leaner 'current' table(s), thereby making everything faster, finding a cure for AIDS and achieving world peace.</p> <p> </p> <p>Does that make sense? Am I repeating people? Can I go home yet?!</p> <p> </p> <p>Hmm. But then posting in a thread from 3 years ago might cause problems, or would it? I don't know.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.31&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.31"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_32"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_32"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: ian <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 10:34"></span></span> <span class="message_count">32 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.32">29871.32</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_31" target="_self">29871.31</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I think the main problem with that is it would be hard as fuck to make. And would pretty much be a one-off. So no one will make it. </p> <p> </p> <p>And also the script which does the splitting would have to be run as a cron job or something like that. And would be, I reckon, slow as fuck.</p> <p> </p> <p>(That's not to say it's a bad idea, it would be the ideal solution, just I don't see it happening)</p> <p> </p> <p>I think we have three choices:</p> <p> </p> <p>1. something like you suggested<br /> 2. carry on as we are<br /> 3. start again and archive the rest somewhere</p> <p> </p> <p>I think 1 won't happen and 2 shouldn't happen so I like 3.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.32&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.32"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_33"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_33"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:35</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 10:47"></span></span> <span class="message_count">33 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.33">29871.33</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_32" target="_self">29871.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Or 4) Look around for new hosting. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.33&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.33"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_34"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_34"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 10:50</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:08"></span></span> <span class="message_count">34 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.34">29871.34</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_33" target="_self">29871.33</a></div> <div class="message_body"> S'pose. Seems like overkill though. We shouldn't need a dedicated server for a web forum. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.34&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.34"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_35"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_35"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:00</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">35 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.35">29871.35</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_32" target="_self">29871.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It wouldn't need to be a cron job - it could be a manual admin function. This place has got, what, five years of posts? So even on busier places it'd probably not need to be run more than yearly, thus speed isn't a huge issue; people expect/accept that archive operations take a period of time.<br /> <br /> <br /> The search page could have an additional option:<br /> Search [current|archived|both]<br /> Or maybe it could be automatic based on the from/to dates selected, with a message signifying whether archived messages would be searched.<br /> <br /> <br /> As for the difficultly of implementing it, I don't agree with that either.<br /> You could keep the existing queries as they are, and if relevant do a second SELECT on the archived bits and UNION it to the initial query.<br /> <br /> <br /> And finally, regarding the no-one will make it bit, I will be working on integrating Beehive with my next site in (hopefully) a month or two, so if nobody else does it I may have a look at doing it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.35&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.35"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_36"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_36"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:10</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:31"></span></span> <span class="message_count">36 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.36">29871.36</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_34" target="_self">29871.34</a></div> <div class="message_body"> True, but this server has always been slow. It's never been as fast as some of our previous hosting has been. Granted it's mostly been faster than recently, but never blazingly quick. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.36&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.36"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_37"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_37"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: ian<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:32</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:38"></span></span> <span class="message_count">37 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.37">29871.37</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_32" target="_self">29871.32</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <div class="quotetext" id="quote"><b>quote: </b>Homer Simpson</div><div class="quote">If something's hard to do then it's not worth doing.</div> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.37&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.37"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_38"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_38"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)<span class="message_time"> 5 Jul 2006 11:37</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 5 Jul 2006 11:45"></span></span> <span class="message_count">38 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.38">29871.38</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.29#a29871_35" target="_self">29871.35</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Hmm. I wasn't really thinking of it as anything more than a one-off. If it would be a useful feature generally then, aye, makes it worth it.</p> <p> </p> <p>It'd still take ages to execute here and that is a problem. </p> <p> </p> <p>As for complexity - yeah, it could be done as you say but... why bother? That offers no advantage over just making this forum read-only and starting again. Well, little advantage.</p> <p> </p> <p>If it were to be done properly it would happen in a sort of rolling way. And that would be hard. By which I mean not having to run a script to do the archiving but mechanisms put in place whereby older posts (beyond an arbitrary threshhold) aren't involved in queries. But... I have no idea how that might be done.</p> <p> </p> <p>But aye, if you're up for making it then that's cool by me, of course.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.38&return_msg=29871.29" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.38"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="29871.39" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>