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<body> <div id="header"> <span class="left"> <span class="back"><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT"><span class="image mobile_back" title="Back"></span></a></span> <span class="image mobile_logo" title="Beehive Forum Logo"></span> </span> <ul> <li> <a class="reply_all" href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.0&return_msg=29871.14"> <span class="image mobile_reply_all"></span><span class="text">Reply to All</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="navigation" href="#"> <span class="image mobile_navigation"></span><span class="text">Show messages</span> </a> </li> <li> <a class="main" href="#"><span class="image mobile_menu" title="Menu"></span> </a> </li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu main"> <ul> <li><a href="lthread_list.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Messages</a></li> <li><a href="lpm.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Inbox</a></li> <li><a href="lsearch.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Search</a></li> <li><a href="llogon.php?webtag=DEFAULT">Login</a></li> </ul> </div> <div class="menu navigation"><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.1">1–10</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.11">11–20</a><a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.21">21–30</a>…<a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.71">71–72</a></div> <div id="page_content"> <h3 class="thread_title"><a href="index.php?webtag=DEFAULT&amp;msg=29871.14">Teh Lack of Speed</a> </h3> <div id="messages" data-navigation="29871_14_72_10"> <a name="a29871_14"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_14"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 17:02</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Woggy <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 21:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">14 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14">29871.14</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.13">29871.13</a></div> <div class="message_body"> It's not as simple as saying it's the dictionary causing the slowness. <br /> <br /> But it is as simple as saying that this server can't cope.<br /> <br /> Problem is when a query is performed the tables required are locked so no data can be inserted or modified at the same time. If the server is under load the query is going to take longer to perform due to lack of resources and because of the nature of PHP and MySQL if you get annoyed by the slowness and keep clicking links or refreshing pages trying to force it to load the page all you're doing is queuing up more queries for MySQL to execute and increasing the load on the server. <br /> <br /> The thread list uses one of the most complex queries in Beehive so you can imagine what happens if you keep trying to refresh the thread list all the time.<br /> <br /> It's not easy balancing the server performance between Apache and MySQL mostly because I haven't a clue how to set up MySQL to best suit our needs and searching for the right information reveals fuck all because all it's all along the lines of "try this" and "do that" without actually telling you what it does or why you should change it.<br /> <br /> So yeah. Like it or lump it or we a) prune the database <i>drastically</i> or b) get together some money again to upgrade the hosting. We should probably do that again soon anyway as we'll need to be paying soon I would have thought. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.14&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.14"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_15"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_15"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Dave!!<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 17:15</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 17:58"></span></span> <span class="message_count">15 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.15">29871.15</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_14" target="_self">29871.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Could you give me details about how much load Beehive normally places on the server, how much bandwidth it uses etc?</p> <p> </p> <p>Only our old server at work is being largely replaced within the next few weeks and the old one will be still hooked up and in use, but doing very little. There's a possibility of being able to use it to host Teh as well. I'd have to look into it though. Incidentally, the machine is a 1.13GHz PIII with 512MB RAM and is currently running Server 2000.</p> <p> </p> <p>Like I say, no promises or anything, but it's a possibility! <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.15&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.15"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_16"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_16"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 18:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Dave!! <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 4 Jul 2006 08:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">16 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.16">29871.16</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_15" target="_self">29871.15</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>Bandwidth is about 4GB a month with compression on.<br /> Load averages about 1.2 from what I can tell from 'top'.</p> <p> </p> <p>Thanks for the offer but I don't think that machine would cope very well. Maybe if you quadruppled the RAM and upped the processor speed to about 3Ghz we'd stand a chance <span class="emoticon e_smile" title=":)"><span class="e__">:)</span></span></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.16&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.16"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_17"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_17"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kriv<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 18:11</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 18:13"></span></span> <span class="message_count">17 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.17">29871.17</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_14" target="_self">29871.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> Could there not be a teharchive database / forum set up. Dunno if it's easy or doable. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.17&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.17"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_18"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_18"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: paul<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 18:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kriv <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 19:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">18 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.18">29871.18</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_17" target="_self">29871.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I think I see what you're saying there, i.e. dump most of whats already 'archived' here to another place and reference it from here?</p> <p> </p> <p>On the other hand, I would question whether we /really/ need to keep all the old posts?</p> <p> </p> <p>Does anyone ever read them?</p> <p> </p> <p>Are we just keeping them for the sake of keeping them?</p> <p> </p> <p>Personally, I think pruning is the order of the day.</p> <p> </p> <p>If someone cares enough to do a Kenny and dump everything into an 'attic' somewhere, all well and good, otherwise let it go...</p> <p> </p> <p><span class="emoticon e_smile_big_nose" title=":O)"><span class="e__">:O)</span></span></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.18&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.18"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_19"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_19"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 18:19</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Kriv <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 19:56"></span></span> <span class="message_count">19 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.19">29871.19</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_17" target="_self">29871.17</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>It's a possibility.</p> <p> </p> <p>To keep it as a database yet seperate from the live forum is going to mean it could potentially have the same impact on performance as we have with it remaining as it is now because we'd still have only the one MySQL server with the database it can't cope with. Unless the archive was moved to a different machine, which means paying for it and setting it all up seperatly, but making it read-only.</p> <p> </p> <p>We could dump it to static HTML files and that has been talked about before but I would need help implementing that feature in Beehive and we'd have to have substantial downtime while the archive is created.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.19&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.19"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_20"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_20"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Matt<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 18:28</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: paul <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 19:52"></span></span> <span class="message_count">20 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.20">29871.20</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_18" target="_self">29871.18</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I'd have a problem with dumping it.</p> <p> </p> <p>There is a massive amount of knowledge and wealth here. There are countless solutions to problems that people have had and some very interesting discussions that everyone should read at least once. There is no doubt also a lot of crap, but it would be a shame to loose all the good stuff just for the sake of keeping everything ship shape.</p> <p> </p> <p>Recently we've been getting quite a few hits from search engines for people looking for solutions to their problems which is nice to see. Although I'm not sure how the managed to find us, because I've tried searching for things I know are here and we never show up, but they'er definitely finding us. I'd like to think the posts they find are useful as well.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.20&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.20"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_21"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_21"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: milko<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 19:01</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 20:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">21 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.21">29871.21</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_14" target="_self">29871.14</a></div> <div class="message_body"> There's a reasonable amount of funds in the Amazon thingy, although not much has been contributed that way of late, lack of publicity and stuff. </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.21&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.21"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_22"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_22"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: paul<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 19:56</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 20:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">22 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.22">29871.22</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_20" target="_self">29871.20</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>I totally understand where you're coming from, but also look at all the shite I've got stashed in my loft/shed/garage!</p> <p> </p> <p>Why not look at getting a static HTML archive site for it all then? Would that be a suitable compromise?</p> <p> </p> <p><span class="emoticon e_smile_big_nose" title=":O)"><span class="e__">:O)</span></span></p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.22&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.22"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div><a name="a29871_23"></a><div class="message" id="message_29871_23"> <div class="message_header"> <div class="message_from"> From: Kriv<span class="message_time"> 3 Jul 2006 19:59</span> <div class="clearer"></div> </div><div class="message_to">To: Matt <span><span class="image post_read" title="Read: 3 Jul 2006 20:01"></span></span> <span class="message_count">23 of 72</span><div class="clearer"></div> </div> </div> <div class="message_links"> <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.23">29871.23</a> In reply to <a href="lmessages.php?webtag=DEFAULT&msg=29871.14#a29871_19" target="_self">29871.19</a></div> <div class="message_body"> <p>HTML wouls stop old posts being archived, therfore stopping the need for intense queries... I'd imagine.</p> <p> </p> <p>While I couldn't help.. I can donate my PC and bandwidth for conversion purposes if needed in some way.</p> </div> <div class="message_footer"> <div class="message_footer_links"><a href="lpost.php?webtag=DEFAULT&reply_to=29871.23&return_msg=29871.14" class="reply"><span class="image post"></span>Reply</a></div> <div class="message_vote_form" data-msg="29871.23"> <span class="rating">0/0</span> <span class="image vote vote_down vote_down_off" title="Vote Down"></span> <span class="image vote vote_up vote_up_off" title="Vote Up"></span> </div> </div> </div></div> <div class="message_page_footer"> <ul> <li class="right_col"><form accept-charset="utf-8" method="get" action="lmessages.php" target="_self"><input type="hidden" name="webtag" id="webtag" class="bhinputtext" value="DEFAULT" dir="ltr" /><input type="hidden" name="msg" id="msg" class="bhinputtext" value="29871.24" dir="ltr" /><input type="submit" name="submit" id="keep_reading" value="Keep reading…" class="button" /></form></li> </ul> </div> </div> </body>